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05-12-2008, 10:59 PM
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caplan's on crack. this is going to be a very competitive fight. barring a slip up from either fighter, this one will go to a decision. don't count sherk out.
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05-13-2008, 01:18 AM
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caplan's on crack. this is going to be a very competitive fight. barring a slip up from either fighter, this one will go to a decision. don't count sherk out.
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Dude...really. No way does Sherk neutralize a fighter that Matt goddamn Hughes, using pretty much the same tactics no less, couldn't neutralize.
Penn's got far superior striking, his takedown defense is second to none, and he's got (arguably) the best MMA jits in the business. Sherk's going down.
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05-13-2008, 01:32 AM
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Dude...really. No way does Sherk neutralize a fighter that Matt goddamn Hughes, using pretty much the same tactics no less, couldn't neutralize.
Penn's got far superior striking, his takedown defense is second to none, and he's got (arguably) the best MMA jits in the business. Sherk's going down.
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05-13-2008, 01:47 AM
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I'm down. I need to even up my record anyway.  Two weeks alright?
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05-13-2008, 01:51 AM
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it was an interesting analysis to say the least, and the notion that sherk will have to bully penn up against the cage and sweep his legs to land in half guard is a very good idea, although i think its very tuff to take BJ down that way, I think sherk shuld keep this fight in a clinch, its obvious hes better conditioned and has a stronger core than penn, similar to what randy did to gonzaga.
Sherk should bully BJ against the cage who is bigger, a more lethal striker, and a better jiu-jitsu fighter while using his superior wrestling and strength to nullify all the advantages the opposing fighter has, and attacking once he is tired.
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05-13-2008, 02:29 AM
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I'm down. I need to even up my record anyway.  Two weeks alright?
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done. what are we betting on again?
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05-13-2008, 08:37 AM
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I don't think anyone can really dominate Sean. He makes a fight out of every oppertunity.
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05-13-2008, 09:55 AM
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gsp dominated him.. so yea... people can dominate him.
ill sig bet anyone for a month or two that bj penn finishes sherk
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05-13-2008, 10:10 AM
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gsp dominated him.. so yea... people can dominate him.
ill sig bet anyone for a month or two that bj penn finishes sherk
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Lets just put the GSP fight in perspective because everyone brings it up when talking about Sherk. "Well GSP destoryed him, so Penn will too."
GSP had just fought Matt Hughes, Jason Miller and Frank Trigg.
Sherk hadn't fought in almost a year and fought some can named Joe Blanton before fighitng GSP. You just can't do that, going from D Level compentition to fighting a guy who many people now would consider the number 2 P4P fighter in the world. Its a lot like Evan Tanner vs. Okami, Tanner hadn't fought in over a year and walked in there with a guy who is Top 5 in his wieght class. The outcome was pretty much decided before the bout even took place. If Tanner fights a few times and gets back in shape, then perhaps a rematch with Okami he would be able to handle him better. Same can go for GSP and Sherk, in a rematch Sherk could probably hold his own.
But lets look since their fight at UFC 56 (nearly 20 UFCs ago). Sherk has dominated 3 Top 10-15 fighters. And he has done it in impressive fashion, arugably not losing a round to any of them.
I can see were the guy is coming from and most the people on this forum when it comes to Penn dominating Sherk. The guy has great hands, great takedown defense and crazy subs. He is tough for anyone in the world to handle at WW or LW. There is not such thing as an easy fight with Penn. The same can be said for Sherk though, as the guy could easily hold his own with anyone in the world at LW or WW. These are two guys who IMO could be Top 5 at WW and LW and when you get two guys like that in an octagon anything can happen.
I am still taking Sherk by decision. I do not care how "good" Penn's cardio might be. I would just look at Joe Lauzon and his fight with Florian and then question whether or not Penn is really pushing that hard in cardio. A guy he trained gassed out after a round, what does that say about the coach and his training? I think Sherk will eventually break Penn's cardio but the question is whether or not he will do it in time pull out the decision. I think he will, but I can see why people would think otherwise.
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05-15-2008, 12:37 PM
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sherk is a better version of stevenson except for age. joe exclusively tried to box with bj, and boxing is not joe's strength. penn doesn't have a great sprawl like say st. pierre, he just has good balance and uncanny flexibility. if sherk fights smart and penn fights smart, sherk via tko (strikes) 4th round.
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