Tito Ortiz on Lorenzo and Frank Fertitta don't want to help me anymore

[Dork8503]

Originally Posted by TNC

Honestly man, you don't KNOW what the fighters get paid. You know what they put out, but the UFC constantly gives out "under the record" checks to their fighters. I know for a fact Karo Parisyan got a PERSONAL bonus check from Dana White after his performance against Josh Burkman, but those figures were never recorded on any paperwork. With Dana and Tito's bad blood, you really think Dana is giving Tito side bonuses or anythin more than what his contract states?


And most fighters have contracts that are "... to show up, ... to win" and Tito hasn't really WON a fight in a while lol. I'm sure his checks are not as BIG as he feels they SHOULD be considering he is still selling on his NAME.


I mean, according to records I saw last Tito made $200,000 to show up, but Big Nog, Couture, Wanderlei, Brock, Liddell, Rampage, Hughes, GSP and a few others all make that, if not more. I mean, I'm not gonna tell Dana White or the UFC how to pay their fighters, but I think Tito, regardless of bad blood should be one of the guys they go out of their way to look after.

Hughes doesn't make 200,000 Neither does GSP.

I didn't say he was top on base pay, but i am saying he is among the top when it comes to ppv buys an shit. Tito gets a good chunk. Also seeing the ppv's he is on do better then most, that means he gets larger chunks of cash.

[TNC]

Originally Posted by Dork8503

Hughes doesn't make 200,000 Neither does GSP.

I didn't say he was top on base pay, but i am saying he is among the top when it comes to ppv buys an shit. Tito gets a good chunk. Also seeing the ppv's he is on do better then most, that means he gets larger chunks of cash.

Once again, you don't KNOW that. You don't know EXACTLY what these guys make. I know when GSP signed his new contract (after beating Hughes the 1st time) this site among others reported he was at the top 2-3 salaries of the UFC and Matt Hughes has said he makes in the mid to high six figures through the UFC. These guys are more than likely making MORE than just the "reported" base pay.


And IF Tito is getting a percentage of what the PPV buys are, then he is selling moreso off of his marketability than what the UFC pays. I don't even know if they pay like that anymore tho. And Tito's PPVs sell more than the average PPV partly because despite all his negatives, Tito is a HUGE draw and his track record is proven in that regard.

[fredro32]

Boo freaking hoo Tito, why don't you stop crying me a river already.
Newsflash the company I work for makes tons of money off of what I do as well, unless you are the man at the top he's gonna make more money than you do, that is his job. You want to start your own org. and do things right more power to you, and I'll even watch it, but enough with the "they don't like me, they are mean to me, I don't wanna wake up & hear what they say about me" BS, bottom line you were paid a wage that you agreed upon to do a job, you have been compensated, move on. Oh & btw bashing is a 2 way street & last heard it wasn't just the UFC bashing you.

[Dork8503]

Originally Posted by TNC

Once again, you don't KNOW that. You don't know EXACTLY what these guys make. I know when GSP signed his new contract (after beating Hughes the 1st time) this site among others reported he was at the top 2-3 salaries of the UFC and Matt Hughes has said he makes in the mid to high six figures through the UFC. These guys are more than likely making MORE than just the "reported" base pay.


And IF Tito is getting a percentage of what the PPV buys are, then he is selling moreso off of his marketability than what the UFC pays. I don't even know if they pay like that anymore tho. And Tito's PPVs sell more than the average PPV partly because despite all his negatives, Tito is a HUGE draw and his track record is proven in that regard.

Again YES I DO KNOW THAT THEY ARE NOT MAKING THAT MUCH. I was talking about base pay. I never tried to guess how much they make backstage.

and Tito does still get ppv buys, part of his contract. Chuck still gets ppv buys. Fighters still get part of the ppv, not all fighters but the big ones still do.

When Tito made 2-3 plus million for his rematch with chuck i would say he was among the top pay, and willing to bet GSP or Hughes has never seen that kind of money for one fight.

[thecoylewis]

What it all boils down to is respect. Tito has this huge fucking chip on his shoulder and he can't get past this feud with White. I think it has more to do with that than it does any money. He's very outspoken about how the other fighters are treated as well as himself. People can dog Tito all they want but he does give a damn about other fighters too.

As for his drawing power, there's a reason why Chuck Liddell is such a big draw, he beat Tito and took his place as #1 in the company as far as star power. That feud between Tito and Chuck was WHITE HOT and people were flocking to those events and ordering those PPVS. Chuck ambarassed Tito both times, I understand that but even losing, Tito was a draw.

As for him not being the same guy anymore, I don't see how anyone can say that. He may not be the guy who had the belt for 3 years but I hear all kinds of people saying oh he can't finish anyone anymore, he fights close fights with TUF guys blah, blah blah. Yet those SAME people are on Machida's nuts and Machida hasn't finished a guy in 4 years with the exception of the SOKO fight. And those TUF guys that Tito barely beat and had a draw with, well Forrest is the #1 contender in the division and Rashad is undefeated and is lining himself up to get a shot within the next year too if he keeps winning. And that draw was bullshit. How many times in the last 5 years have you ever seen a point taken for a guy grabbing the fence twice. 1 time and that was Tito.

I think there is one scenario that is enticing enough for Tito to stay despite how disrespected he feels. July 6, 2008, if Forrest Griffin wakes up as the next LHW champ, don't be surprised if Tito's phone rings and it's Joe Silva with a rematch with Forrest for the title. It would be a HUGE DRAW and a chance for a rematch that ended a little tooi closely for anyone's comfort the last time. That's IF he beats Machida.

[rivethead]

I had an ex girlfriend who used to do pretty much the same thing. She'd make a big production about leaving, but would never quite make it to the door.

her: I'm leaving...

me: fine.

her: seriously...if I go out that door, you won't see me again.

me: make sure you take everything you need then...

her: you don't have any idea how much you'll miss me...

me: I'm willing to take that risk...

her: fuck you, I'm really going...

me: you DO know where the door is, right?


Much like Tito, she had tremendous potential, but eventually I had to let her go to another organization. It turned out better for both of us.




Ortiz has crossed over from selling a fight to just whining. If he starts actually performing and getting another organization attention that threatens the UFC, I'd be willing to bet they'd take him back. But for right now, he's been all-talk-and-no-action for too long, and I can't see the logic in paying multi-millions while guys are still fighting their asses off for 5+5, as hungry as Tito used to be.

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[Warchief]

I can't wait to hear what Tito will gonna say, if Rogan pass the microphone to Tito after the fight.

[thecoylewis]

Originally Posted by Warchief

I can't wait to hear what Tito will gonna say, if Rogan pass the microphone to Tito after the fight.

I think Tito will be prepared for this fight like he has never prepared for any other fight before, he will win the fight, do a super grave digger dance, he may spit in the center of the octagon, flip Dana the bird and walk out.

[mmasince91]

Gets old listening to Ortiz. I really haven't heard Dana say to much that is disrespectful towards him besides he doesn't like like Ortiz. I think this is ortiz trying to get easier compentition. He would never be a champ again in UFC and he knows it.

[POINDEXTER]

It's about the money - it's not about the money. He definitely wants more control in his role in the UFC - I would think you would have to be able to prove that you are able to work with people (primarily Dana White) without such acrimonious relations. Prior to the Couture debacle, they gave Randy pretty much anything he wanted and it surely had to do with the fact that he was the opposite of the polarizing figure that Tito is. I've been losing some respect for him as he has become less and less invested in fighting. I don't see him moving on as a reinvigoration of his commitment to the fight game.