Hughes wants to prove his time hasn’t passed

[Masscore]

Originally Posted by Palma

Way to avoid the "facts"...

Everyone can be beaten... Where have I even spoken of the possiblity of the outcome of the Sherk fight?

I'm responding to your Bullshit ignorant posts about how either Penn was faking an injury or a rin injury won't affect the way you fight... obviously you don't want to touch on this because it completely discounts your argument.

And lol at claiming you were following MMA in the early 90's... you are so full of shit...

Keep jacking off to fightfinder as that appears to be your only friend.



So recognizing that someone was winning a fight up until they were injured is being love with them?

I feel sorry for the HS wrestling team you coach... you obviously don't dick about anything combat sport related.

Dude, you defend Penn no matter what to an insane point. Even insulting poeple when they disagree with you. But when people insult your love for Penn back you try to spin it. You even called GSP a master of Lay n' Pray, like really think about that. Thats like calling Anderson Silva a guy that only goes to decisions.

Yea I know dick. Hmmm, thats why I have coached State champions (3), Many State placers, Several Section Champions (over 10), Coutless Section place winners. Oh and a High School All-American, yea I know dick about combat sports just because I don't love Penn's Pimp Juice.

If you ever coached a wrestling team or any team, then you would know where I am coming from when it comes to Penn v. Hughes II. A loss is a loss is a loss and a win is a win is a win. Doesn't matter how it happens, its all the same in the end.

[atj-lucko]

I'll put it this way its like saying Rick Franklin is the greastest MW of all time.
Anderson destroyed him twice just like what GSP did to Hughes.

I'll reiterate again and nobody addressed what I said, as soon as a fighter that emerged that could stop his takedowns and was an above average striker Matt Hughes couldn't handle him, that man being of course GSP.
This is the future of MMA guys like GSP, thats gonna be the standard in 5 to 10 years.

To me the greatest would be a fighter who dominated and won most of his challenges he faced and beat every type of challenge he could.
Hughes can't beat or even come close to beating somebody who could stop his strength.
To me he is the 2nd greatest WW of all time.

[thecoylewis]

Originally Posted by atj-lucko

I'll put it this way its like saying Rick Franklin is the greastest MW of all time.
Anderson destroyed him twice just like what GSP did to Hughes.

I'll reiterate again and nobody addressed what I said, as soon as a fighter that emerged that could stop his takedowns and was an above average striker Matt Hughes couldn't handle him, that man being of course GSP.
This is the future of MMA guys like GSP, thats gonna be the standard in 5 to 10 years.

To me the greatest would be a fighter who dominated and won most of his challenges he faced and beat every type of challenge he could.
Hughes can't beat or even come close to beating somebody who could stop his strength.
To me he is the 2nd greatest WW of all time.

Athletes bodies breakdown over the years, it comes with the territory. You can't say GSP will go down as a greater welterweight than Hughes because of Hughes being beaten at the end of his career. GSP is at the peak of his prime while Hughes is beaten down and worn out. Remember Hughes and GSP did fight when both guys were younger and that isn't fair to compare for GSP because he was green and Hughes was in his prime.

Comparing a young stud like GSP to the aged and battle worn Hughes is like comparing a Wizards era Michael Jordan to the young guys he played against in his latter days and saying, man these guys are schooling Jordan, they are greater than him. It's not the same thing as guys being in their prime fighting it out for glory. Lebron James and Jordan could play a game of 1 on 1 today and James would smoke Jordan. That doesn't make James greater than Jordan. You have to step back and look at both guys at the end of their career and compare them. Let GSP defend that belt several times before you try annointing him the greatest WW of all time. How many defenses and how many times did Hughes win it.

[Palma]

Originally Posted by Masscore

Dude, you defend Penn no matter what to an insane point. Even insulting poeple when they disagree with you. But when people insult your love for Penn back you try to spin it. You even called GSP a master of Lay n' Pray, like really think about that. Thats like calling Anderson Silva a guy that only goes to decisions.

Yea I know dick. Hmmm, thats why I have coached State champions (3), Many State placers, Several Section Champions (over 10), Coutless Section place winners. Oh and a High School All-American, yea I know dick about combat sports just because I don't love Penn's Pimp Juice.

If you ever coached a wrestling team or any team, then you would know where I am coming from when it comes to Penn v. Hughes II. A loss is a loss is a loss and a win is a win is a win. Doesn't matter how it happens, its all the same in the end.

It's to the point of insanity to recognize a rib inujury? What does GSP and Anderson SIlva have to do with anything we are talking about? This is the difference between you and me: I am arguing about MMA and you are arguing about me... I could give fuck about myself when it comes to arguing about MMA... you are so infatuated with me that you chime in when you don't even have anything to add to the discusion...

and sure you coached stat champs and a HS all-american... sure you did internet tought guy. Claim all the Bullshit you want since there is no way to substantiate it.

So a loss is a loss and a win is a win... do you tell your guys that when they get a takedown and the ref doesn't give them points for it because they were close to out of bounds, and those points were the difference in the match. So you consider Bisping the real winner of his fight against Hammill?

A loss is a loss and a win is a win to people who can't tell what actually happened in a fight... Penn lost the competition but he clearly won the fight against Hughes and GSP.

[BigBanda]

Originally Posted by atj-lucko

I'll put it this way its like saying Rick Franklin is the greastest MW of all time.
Anderson destroyed him twice just like what GSP did to Hughes.

I'll reiterate again and nobody addressed what I said, as soon as a fighter that emerged that could stop his takedowns and was an above average striker Matt Hughes couldn't handle him, that man being of course GSP.
This is the future of MMA guys like GSP, thats gonna be the standard in 5 to 10 years.

To me the greatest would be a fighter who dominated and won most of his challenges he faced and beat every type of challenge he could.
Hughes can't beat or even come close to beating somebody who could stop his strength.
To me he is the 2nd greatest WW of all time.

GSP is the "current" greatest WW I would say but you just dont crown him as the greatest and most dominant of all time just like that. You have to earn that spot like Hughes did.

[Boo]

Originally Posted by atj-lucko

I still disagree.
Jason Macdonald bet Doerksen twice.
Gono not a top ranked fighter ever.
Newton somewhat a b class fighter at one time.
Royce can't beat his meat at this point.
GSP beat both Sherk, Penn, Trigg and his loss to Hughes was fluke, mentally he was not focused and too young I discount that loss because of his last two dominating performances over Hughes.

Do you actually believe if GSP fought Hughes 5 more times that GSP wouldn't do the same thing to Hughes he did to him the last two times they fought?

Muhammad Ali is considered the greatest of all time cause he defeated everyone, even the guys he lost to. Now say that he fought Foreman 3 times and Foreman KO'ed him twice in the 2nd round and he could never defeated Fraizer, well how could could anyone consider him the greatest.

With Hughes he was submitted twice by Hallmean in a total of 37 seconds in two fights, and even now I pick Hallman in a fight against Hughes.

Hughes has always been a 2 dimensional fighter Great Wrestler, decent subs, good cardio, zero boxing and soon as a fighter that emerged that could stuff his takedowns and was an above average striker he didn't have an answer.With out his takedowns Hughes is like a turtle on his back.

The Dennis Hallman argument has always been lame, but I can't say I've ever seen it along side the discounting of Hughes defeat of GSP. So let me get this right. Hughes defeat of GSP didn't mean anything because GSP was in the first couple years of his career. However, Hallman beating Hughes in the first couple years of his mma career says it all. I guess Hughes should have DECIMATED Hallman when he was at his peak and that would make it all good. Wonder why that fight didn't happen???

Hughes beat the best fighters available AT THE TIME. It doesn't mean shit to try and compare that to the skill sets of todays fighters. Today's fighters are benefiting from all the knowledge gleaned from the past. The camps are better, the trainers are better, etc, etc, etc. It's like trying to compare computers to typewriters.

One last thing. Hughes didn't just beat Royce. He beat him at his own game, BJJ. Royce was NOT going to tap, so Hughes chose not to injury the guy.

[Masscore]

Originally Posted by Palma

It's to the point of insanity to recognize a rib inujury? What does GSP and Anderson SIlva have to do with anything we are talking about? This is the difference between you and me: I am arguing about MMA and you are arguing about me... I could give fuck about myself when it comes to arguing about MMA... you are so infatuated with me that you chime in when you don't even have anything to add to the discusion...

and sure you coached stat champs and a HS all-american... sure you did internet tought guy. Claim all the Bullshit you want since there is no way to substantiate it.

So a loss is a loss and a win is a win... do you tell your guys that when they get a takedown and the ref doesn't give them points for it because they were close to out of bounds, and those points were the difference in the match. So you consider Bisping the real winner of his fight against Hammill?

A loss is a loss and a win is a win to people who can't tell what actually happened in a fight... Penn lost the competition but he clearly won the fight against Hughes and GSP.

I know Penn was winning, but he still loss. The point I am making is, you are acting as if he won, when he didn't. In the end Hughes has the W and Penn has the L, no matter how it came.

When it comes to my wrestlers, you agrument has no merit. There is a huge difference between a ref's error and losing a match on the cards or being finished. Penn v. Hughes II example would more like if Penn was winning the Match 7-0 or even 10-0 and Hughes came back and got the pin. In that instance I would tell my wrestler you got caught and you need to train harder to avoid that situation. You can not make excuses for shit like that. Hell, even Penn didn't make an excuse when he lost to Hughes. He came out, said he got an injury and then said Hughes earned the win and is a true champion... I wish only his fans could see it the same way.

Finally, I really have nothing to prove to you. I am not about to bring my wrestling team into some Internet Forum agrument as much as you would like me too. I am not about to start posting their names on random forums just to prove who I am because you know what... I owe you nothing of the sort. These are high school kids and I am not going their names on these forums. I'm not really going to lose much sleep because you may or may not believe me.

Dude you love to post all over this forum and insult people all the time. But when someone calls you out you get all offensive. You need to chill out and realize that not everyone on earth agrees with you. I know it is tough to understand, but hey welcome to planet Earth, we are allowed to have opinions.

[Palma]

Originally Posted by Masscore

I know Penn was winning, but he still loss. The point I am making is, you are acting as if he won, when he didn't. In the end Hughes has the W and Penn has the L, no matter how it came.

When it comes to my wrestlers, you agrument has no merit. There is a huge difference between a ref's error and losing a match on the cards or being finished. Penn v. Hughes II example would more like if Penn was winning the Match 7-0 or even 10-0 and Hughes came back and got the pin. In that instance I would tell my wrestler you got caught and you need to train harder to avoid that situation. You can not make excuses for shit like that. Hell, even Penn didn't make an excuse when he lost to Hughes. He came out, said he got an injury and then said Hughes earned the win and is a true champion... I wish only his fans could see it the same way.

Finally, I really have nothing to prove to you. I am not about to bring my wrestling team into some Internet Forum agrument as much as you would like me too. I am not about to start posting their names on random forums just to prove who I am because you know what... I owe you nothing of the sort. These are high school kids and I am not going their names on these forums. I'm not really going to lose much sleep because you may or may not believe me.

Dude you love to post all over this forum and insult people all the time. But when someone calls you out you get all offensive. You need to chill out and realize that not everyone on earth agrees with you. I know it is tough to understand, but hey welcome to planet Earth, we are allowed to have opinions.

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You are the one replying to my posts about my opinion on how the fight went... you don't see me replying to your retarded shit. Have what ever the fuck opinion you want. learn to fucking read or remember what you were originally posting about you hypocrite.

[jrube]

Originally Posted by Palma

^^^

You are the one replying to my posts about my opinion on how the fight went... you don't see me replying to your retarded shit. Have what ever the fuck opinion you want. learn to fucking read or remember what you were originally posting about you hypocrite.

Hughes wants to prove... 05-08-2008 12:31 PM Palma Awww... did I hurt your feeling little girl?

No you didnt hurt my feelings Palma, I am a grown man, and just stating you are an asshole, which many believe as a fact in tis forum, and speaking of asshole, that is where you can stick your NEG... And no I won't be negging you for our disagreement, your not worth a neg... your not worth shit.

[Boo]

You guys should take this to PMs. It doesn't even resemble a MMA discussion anymore.