Sorry, couldnt pass up this massive inconsistency:
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Originally Posted by rivethead
A competative market is a healthy market...one of the foundations of capitalist theory.
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Originally Posted by rivethead
I think the UFC puts on some great fights. My major issues are with pay scales based on celebrity rather than talent.
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You justify something by appealing to capitalism, but then suggest something which is very socialist (and VERY anti capitalist). To quote Pubilius Syrus "Everything is worth what the purchaser will pay for it." Thats a tenant of capitalism, but you suggest that people in the UFC shouldnt be paid based on what they bring in for the UFC, but for what some authority thinks they should make. You cant appeal to the free market once and then say its stupid 2 sentences later.
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There will always be those who feel they are intellectually superior as long as they are fighting "the man". They have a purpose. To dethrone the evil corporate empire that ruined the once pure sport that they love and of course the defunct Pride was the last bastion of hope for the pure MMA Lover...to say otherwise is blasphemous.
Dana White is Darth Vader, if Darth was a bald white guy, and has done more to destroy fighter-management relations than Don king.
I know don't post much but this got my attention, the man thing i see on here is people complaining about the cards and fighters pay. not everycard and be better then the rest or we wouldn't be argueing about who can replace who when something happens because all the other fighters are tied up some times is bs and there should be better fights but it happens. and the pay thing especially bad on here with all the new tuf fighter and new comers people bitch about this guy making 6-10-20- grand a fight but when the signed those contracts for 4-5-6 fights they weren't respected as the guy they became so they signed what they could to get into the show. when the contracts up the will get more money and what they deserve. it's like anyother business. you have to start somewhere
Sorry, couldnt pass up this massive inconsistency:
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You justify something by appealing to capitalism, but then suggest something which is very socialist (and VERY anti capitalist). To quote Pubilius Syrus "Everything is worth what the purchaser will pay for it." Thats a tenant of capitalism, but you suggest that people in the UFC shouldnt be paid based on what they bring in for the UFC, but for what some authority thinks they should make. You cant appeal to the free market once and then say its stupid 2 sentences later.
Massive inconsistency? That's a pretty "massive" overstatement.
I'm actually not justifying anything...and certainly not beyond a theoretical sense, regardless.
If you are really that interested in irrelevant minutae, go back and read it again, in context: rather than advocating a capitalist perspective, I was answering a question that he'd put forth...a question I found particularly ignorant considering he's got a Reagan quote in his signature, and--if I'm thinking of the same guy [and I might be wrong]--he has misinterpreted political theory in previous posts. Minimally, I would have thought a guy with a Reagan quote would understand fundamental capitalism, but apparently I was "WONG AGAIN." That was a joke, did you get it?
As far as paying on celebrity vs. talent, I don't feel my perceptions are entirely socialist. I do feel there is tremendous talent within the UFC that gets somewhat overlooked. If a similar investment was made to develop their public recognition, I feel they can eclipse some of the fighters who are paid mainly for celebrity status, as opposed to pure talent. A long-term investment can bring long term gain, as opposed to the short term arrangement I was specifically referencing.
I'm also someone who doesn't feel bound by the need to follow any single doctrine. If you find this contradictory--or confusing--you can always choose to read someone else's posts.
Why is almost everyone in here hating on the UFC?? Come on y'all WTF??? The last few years MMA has really taken off, with some AMAZING fights!!! Fights we all have been waiting to see for YEARS!!!
Did Kimbo vs Tank set the pace???? NO! Oh maybe is was Baroni vs Shamrock, oh maybe Fedor vs Long Duck Dong (thanks Dana)... WONG AGAIN. The last few years has been incredible and can be explained with 3 letters... UFC!!!
Dana and the rest of the staff at the UFC have been signing fighters, and putting together some kick ass events (minus the Evans/Bisping headliner), and there are some really exciting fights/events yet to come, not to mention a stacked fight night for freakin FREE.
So to all of you bitching about how you wish AA, Tito, KOS, Swick, Couture (at least that he doesn't return) etc.. all leave the UFC.... STFU!!!! The UFC can't and wont be able to sign every big name in the game, but they most certainly have the vast majority of them. I also don't want to hear the BS about how it will be good for the sport, and force the UFC to work with other promotions, that simply ain't gonna happen, and would be stupid for the UFC to do it, since it is a win/win situation for the smaller promotions, and the UFC has NOTHING to gain from it. The UFC doesn't have to prove they have the best fighters in the world, because everyone knows they do, including Shaw, Cuban, Meyrowitz, Cox, etc... who want that UFC banner hanging in the ring while they televise, and or through a fighter in the ring.
Since when is sacrificing your own company to make another better a good business decisions?
OK my rant is done!
I dont hate the UFC. I love watching UFC events.
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Dana White is a dick and says some stupid shit no one here can deny. He regularly insults fighters and thats pretty well known.
UFC's fightcards, although better now than before, are not comparable to the standard set by Pride. Sure Pride went out of business, but their fightcards were amazing matching up great fighters against great fighters on regular basis. UFC does put out great cards but not on consistent basis.
Lastly, too much marketing over substance and too much BS bias against fighters behind the scenes.
Other than that, UFc is fine and I order UFC events on almost regular basis.
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"I yelled to the ref, “Hey! He is greased up!”" - Mayhem yelling while fighting GSP
"He was slippery...like he had oil on him" - Sherk after fighting GSP
"...Do you think I can't tell the difference between sweat and something else?" - Hughes on his blog after BJ accuses GSP of greasing
"I know Matt Serra has mentioned it (about GSP feeling greasy)" - Hughes on his blog listing people who thought GSP was greased up.
I'm not reading through every post so I think someone already said it best....
When you are on top and getting all the attention, you will always have lots of haters. If the UFC was in a lower light and lets say Cage Rage was in their spot then we'd have lots of praise for the UFC and hate for Cage Rage.
It really doesnt matter because the ones that hate and talk shit about the UFC are the same ones that order the UFC ppv's lol
Sure the average UFC fight card isnt as strong as the average PRIDE fight card, but also remember a few things: the UFC puts out far more fights a year than Pride did, the UFC almost certainly has fewer fighters on steroids, and the UFC doesnt have organized crime involved with its operation. Personally I'd rather have more fight cards of slightly lesser quality than fewer fight cards, not to mention the other factors.
__________________ Consistency is the defense of a small mind
Sure the average UFC fight card isnt as strong as the average PRIDE fight card, but also remember a few things: the UFC puts out far more fights a year than Pride did, the UFC almost certainly has fewer fighters on steroids, and the UFC doesnt have organized crime involved with its operation. Personally I'd rather have more fight cards of slightly lesser quality than fewer fight cards, not to mention the other factors.
Yeah but that's you. And you a self professed Krazy guy.
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"I yelled to the ref, “Hey! He is greased up!”" - Mayhem yelling while fighting GSP
"He was slippery...like he had oil on him" - Sherk after fighting GSP
"...Do you think I can't tell the difference between sweat and something else?" - Hughes on his blog after BJ accuses GSP of greasing
"I know Matt Serra has mentioned it (about GSP feeling greasy)" - Hughes on his blog listing people who thought GSP was greased up.
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