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[ghosttown]

Originally Posted by peno

Miguel Torres

MMA Record: 45-1-0

Accomplishments:
2003 PanAmerican - Silver Medal
2004 Arnolds Classic - Gold Medal
2005 Arnolds Classic - Gold Medal
2005 Gracie Nationals - Gold Medal
2006 Arnolds Classic - Gold Medal
2006 Gracie Nationals - Gold Medal
2008 WEC Bantamweight Champion

I couldn't disagree more. The guy has one professional loss and from what I understand atleast a quarter of his wins he was giving up weight. How much I don't know. I think if your p4p one of the best you should be able to give up weight and win. Something some of the guys on that list haven't done.

45-1?! Where did you get that record? I only find 21-1 on Sherdog and 33-1 on the Brinkster Fight Finder. Those accomplishments are awesome but they aren't related to MMA competition and grappling tournaments shouldn't count for the MMA rankings. If that is the case then why isn't Marcello Garcia ranked? Also how many top LW's/FW's has he beaten besides Chase Beebe? Not trying to be a dick, just an honest question. He beat alot of guys in different weights, but none of them are ranked to my knowledge.

[peno]

Originally Posted by ghosttown

45-1?! Where did you get that record? I only find 21-1 on Sherdog and 33-1 on the Brinkster Fight Finder. Those accomplishments are awesome but they aren't related to MMA competition and grappling tournaments shouldn't count for the MMA rankings. If that is the case then why isn't Marcello Garcia ranked? Also how many top LW's/FW's has he beaten besides Chase Beebe? Not trying to be a dick, just an honest question. He beat alot of guys in different weights, but none of them are ranked to my knowledge.

I got the info off of his MMA academys website:

..:: www.torresmartialarts.com :: The official website for the Miguel Torres Martial Arts Academy ::..

I listed the accomplishments to sell my opinion. Garcia isn't ranked cause he's not in mma. Maybe the 45-1 is mma and grappling I don't know. All I know is the guy has fought at higher weights and won, he's a current champion and he's only lost once. After his fight with Beebe I think he's top 10 p4p.

The lighter weights don't get as much exposure as the bigger guys so I can't say wether he's fought cans or top guys.(wich sucks cause the smaller guys fights are always better than the big guys) If anyone knows for sure, please correct me. Given their last performances, I'd definately put Torres ahead of Rua and Filho.

[ninjastix]

Swap Fedor and GSP... then please take Randy off that f'king list...

I'd also consider putting Penn before Rampage whatever the number relationship is...

[ghosttown]

Originally Posted by peno

I got the info off of his MMA academys website:

..:: www.torresmartialarts.com :: The official website for the Miguel Torres Martial Arts Academy ::..

I listed the accomplishments to sell my opinion. Garcia isn't ranked cause he's not in mma. Maybe the 45-1 is mma and grappling I don't know. All I know is the guy has fought at higher weights and won, he's a current champion and he's only lost once. After his fight with Beebe I think he's top 10 p4p.

The lighter weights don't get as much exposure as the bigger guys so I can't say wether he's fought cans or top guys.(wich sucks cause the smaller guys fights are always better than the big guys) If anyone knows for sure, please correct me. Given their last performances, I'd definately put Torres ahead of Rua and Filho.

I know you listed the accomplishments to sell your opinion, it's just that the accomplishments are rather irrelevant to the debate at hand. Yeah I don't know where they got the 45-1 thing either. Actually Marcello Garcia is in MMA, he is 0-1 and his next fight is coming up soon.

I don't think any of the guys he's fought besides Beebe are ranked at all. I think you should have to beat quality opponents, not just fight and win in different weight classes. If you would put Torres ahead of Shogun you are nuts. Torres hasn't accomplished half of what Shogun has in MMA.