That point deduction was b.s. Brock was definitely hurting Mir up until he got caught, but that's the way the sport goes. Can't wait to see him fight again.
-The point duduction wasn't BS I mean, if you watch the fight again.. he hits him in the back of the head as soon as ht starts pnching becuase mir tries to protect his face , BUT if you watch it again he Lesnar hits him 6x in the back of the head in 4:40-4:35 in the round. SO to see that, i'm sure Mazzigatti, warned him which maybe we didn't hear becuase lets face it a camera can only pick up so much, and really all you hear is the crowd. SO if you watch it again... you will see the 6 hits to the back of the head.. not just the one...
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Brock losing was probably the best thing for him. He really thought he was some kind of monster that no one could hang with. A good humbling was what he needed.
Brock will come back better and have the right attitude as well.
-I dont think that he thought no one could hand with him I just think that everyone hyped him up more then what he was. I think that he needed to convicne himself that he could actually be in the UFC where people actually get hit with hard kicks and punches and have hard submissions slapped on...
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Lesnar is gonna be tough..he was beatin Mirs ass and then got caught. I hope he does well in the future..
Actually, Mir made the mistake to kick a wrestler.. HELLO their game is goin for the legs.. BUT he really didn't so much damage to mir? why? becuase he was too spastic instead of actually putting force into those punches.. I dont think mir was worried at all... And it woudl have ended with mir winning anyways i think regardless
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If he develops properly, he'll be a scary super-size-me version of Sherk. Except I think in that 90 seconds, Lesnar's come closer to finishing a fight than Sherk ever has.
- I really dont think u can compair him to sherk.. it In the fights ive seen from sherk regardless if he finshed a fight nor not i think that sherk seriously put so much technique and effort into his fights.. where heavyweights in general aren't exciting to watch... I guess if you didn't train mma or any kind of martial art you would look for a knock out or somethign and can't apprciate the technical aspect sherk brings to the table.
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No shame in losing to Mir at all, espically since Mir was training with that badass wrestler from Ohio State
- I think mir respected lesnars wrestling which is why he threw himself in there with some of the best.. AND if brck respect any of franks jiu jitsu then maybe he wouldn't have been caught in that leg lock? just my opinion...
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Some people, even Mir, stated the leglock wasn't all that tight. I'm not sure what they're getting at; maybe you can back me up here... Those knee / ankle locks, my understanding is they don't TRULY hurt until the ankle and knee completely breaks / sprains / hyper-extends, right? Leg locks make me cringe in the same way watching someone get kicked in the junk does...
-The leg lock may not have been that tight.. but look at the size of brocks legs.. coming from experience when i fight biger guys/girls...some submissions such as leg locks and chokes are much easier to apply even f they are loose just becuase their limbs and neck are so much bigger.. Its easy to make something like that tight. And mir did his homework... so i mean.. gotta commend him for that he knew what the plan was and he excecuted it
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Lesnar definetly proved he can be a very exciting fighter in the UFC. We could of seen him win by TKO if Mazagatti didnt deducte a point. Then Lesnar dropped him with a punch, but unfortunatly got caught in a leg lock. Lesnar was dominating the fight, I already want to see him fight again.
- How did he probe that? when mir mad e a stupid mistake and gave him his leg hahaha, and then brock's hammer fits didn't do hardly any damage and mir looked soo relaxed. I dont think that mazagatti was wrong in taking a point from him like i said if u watch the first part of the fight leading up to when it was stopped.. u can see that lesnar hit mir 6x in the back of the head.. and ur telling me that he didn't deserve that point being taken away?? come on...
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I'm definitely a fan of BROCK!
I love EXPLOSIVE fighters... and Brock definitely showed what he's made out of.
First take-down: Brock used wrestling skills
Second take-down: BROCK PUNCHING POWER?
I doubt Mir would have been able to out box Brock... but that's too quick to make that call...
I'M DEFINETELY A FAN OF BROCK LESNER... AND CAN'T WAIT FOR HIS SECOND FIGHT!
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im very impress with lesnar.
-of the 90 seconds that fight lasted he was betting the crap out mir for about 89 seconds until he got cought (rookie mistake).
-hes strong like mother fucker and fucking quick, that spining wrestling move that he did on mir was fucking amazing for a guy his size.
-hes huge, the cage seemed small when he was on the cage and even theres was only a 10 pound diference on the fighters lesnar looked like a monster.
-he showed his humble side after the fight and thats fucking HUGE.
-hes married to sable and that my friends is one hot babe.
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- there is more then a 10lb difference you got to realize when those fighters cut weigh tthey have 24 hours or so from the weigh ins to get their system back on track.. so by the time its fight night.. they are back up or almost back up to the weight they are at so infact lesnar weighed way more in thet fight then mir any one who had cut weight woudl know that
Lesnar Sucks Not Even Top 5
- no kidding
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i think lesnar needs to slow down a bit and relax when hes in the cage, his punchs from mirs guard looked like rabbit punchs and he seemed to be too jumpy he needs to relax and try and keep his bearings when hes in there he was rushing too hard to stop the fight.
- wrestlers tend to tense up and i think that was his problem which effected his hammer punches.. instead of having his entire body inthem he just used the strength of his arm...
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I'm not sure why everyone thinks Brock was so impressive? Let's think about it, what did we really see from him? A very quick takedown (which was expected) and then he just went nuts with pummeling Mir.
But what did we really learn about Brock's skill-set? Absolutely nothing.
We still don't know where his technique level is at, he didn;t wait for an opening or create an opening he just shot in for a takedown, there was no patience and if that is the extent of his skill, expect more of the same.
What would Barnett do to him? Fedor, Werdum, Nog, Gonzaga? I'll go with 5 leg locks...
Point being is that what we saw from Brock proves nothing because we have yet to see any patience or creating openings to land strikes, he just went ballistic with punhces and then got subbed.
We only know this:
His takedowns are great, he punches very hard, he moves very quickly on the matt and is suscesptible to leg locks.
We don't know how his stand up is, if he can take a punch or his conditioning. He looked like he spent himself going for the TKO so how frsh would he have been for round 2?
For me the fight proved very little, I'n not quick to jump on the bandwaggon of a guy who used his wrestling skills and no other MMA technique and got subbed in round 1. Maybe it's just me.
i agree
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Personally I don't think Brock got screwed. He did hit him in the back of the head and at worst Mir should've been given time to recover from the illegal blow.
At the same time I give Lesnar a lot of credit. From what we heard before the fight, he said that he wanted to fight Mir. He didn't want to pick some can to pick up an easy win over....he wanted to fight a former UFC Champ and I give him a lot of credit for that.
Especially in a time now where we hear about Randy possibly not wanting to fight certain guys because he doesn't want to take a chance of losing and then not being able to fight Fedor. And then you have guys like Karo and Fedor who have been rumored to be hand picking fights.....it's kind of nice to see a guy that wants to go in there against tough competition.
I thought Brock was gonna put Frank away. I literally jumped off my couch and started screaming at the tv. Great fight. No shame lost in that one. I think if Brock can train with a Matt Hughes or someone who transitioned well from wrestling to mma, we'll have a new champ in a couple years.
Brock should join to Team Quest, he is so fit in that Camp B/c of his wrestling skills...imagine Lindland traning him for greco/free style wrestling and Hendo is for striking/ground d and takedown d.
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I do think Steves point deduction was bs. I've seen fighters get multiple verbal warning and nothing else.
Exactly! like i was mention yesterday, i've seen a lot worse than that but no point deduction nor even a warning sometimes.
Brock brought some excitement for sure but I think dagreat1 nailed it with his review of Lesnar. His wrestling was great which is what we expected, he was very explosive, quick and has heavy hands. I think he seriously just rushed in there too aggressively and basically was being careless/wreckless. It was as if he had no respect for what Mir is capable of on the ground. Lesnar did almost have that fight in the bag though but like the title of this thread goes.. "no shame in losing for Brock".
Brock should join to Team Quest, he is so fit in that Camp B/c of his wrestling skills...imagine Lindland traning him for greco/free style wrestling and Hendo is for striking/ground d and takedown d.
Exactly! like i was mention yesterday, i've seen a lot worse than that but no point deduction nor even a warning sometimes.
yeah i have seen them get by with hitting to the back of the head or atleast warned,i was alittle shocked that they took a point so fast,ive seen them grab the cage 3 or 4 times and get a warning,and next grab get a point taken.but as stated i dont know if he had been verbally warned or not before the point was taken
He warns fighters about doing this BEFORE the fights back in the dressing room. He tells them that he will not warn them during the fight, but will immediately take a point off.
I'm not sure if I agree, but it's much more effective than simply shouting, "Watch the back of the head!" over and over again like every other referee.
I admit Lensnar's got a case for feeling screwed, but punching the back of the head is probably the least enforced rule in MMA.
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He warns fighters about doing this BEFORE the fights back in the dressing room. He tells them that he will not warn them during the fight, but will immediately take a point off.
I'm not sure if I agree, but it's much more effective than simply shouting, "Watch the back of the head!" over and over again like every other referee.
I admit Lensnar's got a case for feeling screwed, but punching the back of the head is probably the least enforced rule in MMA.
Sorry but didn't Mazagatti ref GSP/ Hughes 3? How many times did he warn GSP not to hit Hughes in the back of the head? Like 4 or 5 times? I realize that referee's are a part of the action and it was a judgement call, but it was a bad call plain and simple. There was for sure one solid incidental hit to the back of the head, maybe a second grazing shot but it didn't warrant a standup or point deduction, IMO.
Uber I respect you and your comments but wasn't the Renzo/Shamrock fight stopped due to a knee to the back of the head? That's slightly different, I could see if Mir was hurt from it like Renzo was, but he wasn't.
Brock needs some fine tuning, he seems to get this huge adrenaline dump at the beginning of his matches, he needs to calm down, control himself and work a game plan. The best fighter's always seem to set things up, i've rarely seen a someone go balls out and be good.
that's just my opinion, I could be wrong.
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Uber I respect you and your comments but wasn't the Renzo/Shamrock fight stopped due to a knee to the back of the head? That's slightly different, I could see if Mir was hurt from it like Renzo was, but he wasn't.
Yes it was but my point is that Strikes to the back of the head can be career ending and most Refs don't put up with it nor should. See the problem here is not weather Brock lost here or not because of it it is people trivializing these hit to the back of the head I didn't like Frank doing it and he is one of my favorite fighters and I don't like Brock doing it. Lets just say he didn't stop it like all these people having a hissy fit are arguing about and he kept hitting Frank in the back of the neck and frank got one of his A's or B's Fractured... mmm he would probably never be able to fight again and have to retire and with a depleted HW division that is the last thing the UFC wants Frank want or the Sport wants. The Call was justified people are just upset because the guy they wonted to win LOST. It happens. I actually have more respect for Lesner after the fight because I liked his speed for a big man, However he is sloppy as hell and should not get top billing or top pay untill he proves himself..IMO.
However he is sloppy as hell and should not get top billing or top pay untill he proves himself..IMO.
You don't get it man...
A fighters pay is not a reflection of his skill but instead his ability to generate revenue...
Brock is first a spectacle and second a fighter, but the revenue and viewership he draws will in turn lead to better payouts for fighters in the future...
Based on what?... his previous wrestling entertainment credentials, not his skill...
Take a deep breath and live with it for now... and give Brock a break, he has a lot of established fans before he ever stepped into the cage that's going to provide opportunities for other fighters down the line and heaven forbid, bring some excitement back to the heavyweight division...
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