Gary Shaw: UFC Title-Holders Are “Club Champs”

[ArMnHC]

Originally Posted by mcdev88

good post man. i agree with you 100%. rep'd

thanks dude!

Gary's gamesmanship is poor and childish. competition is always a good thing. i like EXC dont get me wrong...MMa is MMA and is always good to watch! but Gary needs not call out the top dog in MMA, and yes that is Dana White... ::i crawl into the corner and wheep cuz im giving Dana White so much recognition...that he deserves:: LOL

[Palma]

Originally Posted by ArMnHC

thanks dude!

Gary's gamesmanship is poor and childish. competition is always a good thing. i like EXC dont get me wrong...MMa is MMA and is always good to watch! but Gary needs not call out the top dog in MMA, and yes that is Dana White... ::i crawl into the corner and wheep cuz im giving Dana White so much recognition...that he deserves:: LOL

Lol, and Dana is some classy/professional CEO that doesn't make an ass out of himself on a regular basis? Shaw says allot of stupid things about his fighters and Dana says more stupid shit about everyone else's fighters.

[Texasboyballin]

Originally Posted by foundstarr

Hmm.. so according to your logic where is the win for UFC in any way here?

Well it's obvious, 2 C which Org. is better & who has better Fighters, Point Blank. Dats y Dana don't really do any Cross-Promo cuz in his Mind he don't need the Exposure & he knows were the best Fighters r @ & dats in the UFC !!

[ArMnHC]

Originally Posted by Palma

Lol, and Dana is some classy/professional CEO that doesn't make an ass out of himself on a regular basis? Shaw says allot of stupid things about his fighters and Dana says more stupid shit about everyone else's fighters.

i never said Dana is a classy gamer either...his potty mouth makes him far from that LOL

but at this point, Dana knows Gary Shaw isnt causing him to lose sleep at night. so really, Gary sounds like the only idiot in this scenario. JMO

[Palma]

Originally Posted by ArMnHC

i never said Dana is a classy gamer either...his potty mouth makes him far from that LOL

but at this point, Dana knows Gary Shaw isnt causing him to lose sleep at night. so really, Gary sounds like the only idiot in this scenario. JMO

I wouldn't be suprised if Dana did get bothered by shit like this. He always seems to take stuff personal and he says it doesn't bother him and then two weeks later he'll have a press conference denouncing who ever it is as a waste of time to talk about. He reminds me of how they always make fun of Donald Trump on SNL for talking shit about Rossie O'Donnel.

I don't think Shaw is being disrespectful to say that all orgs should cross promote and point out the UFC speficially as the problem. It's not like Zuffa hasn't filed a lawsuit against every other MMA org at some point in time or another.

[mattyc]

All this talk about cross-promotion makes me wish there were a non-profit agency out there to coordinate all fighters in North America. Then we wouldn't have to wonder whether Fighter A from organization X could beat Fighter B from organization Y. Instead, everyone would be connected with everyone else, and business concerns wouldn't separate fighters in the same division.

[Dork8503]

Originally Posted by Palma

I wouldn't be suprised if Dana did get bothered by shit like this. He always seems to take stuff personal and he says it doesn't bother him and then two weeks later he'll have a press conference denouncing who ever it is as a waste of time to talk about. He reminds me of how they always make fun of Donald Trump on SNL for talking shit about Rossie O'Donnel.

I don't think Shaw is being disrespectful to say that all orgs should cross promote and point out the UFC speficially as the problem. It's not like Zuffa hasn't filed a lawsuit against every other MMA org at some point in time or another.

to me all the MMA orgs doing shows is like Tom Brady going to the Lions for 1 game.

Still don't see why someone like the UFC should share there glory by sending someone like lets say Tito to fight one of there LHW's in a ppv.

UFC has nothing to gain by doing things like this, only have things to lose. Say there fighter loses, or more fans tune in to Elite or M-1 because of the show, then UFC loses money.

Only people that Gain from this are the fans. I mean lets say UFC did do a show together an UFC fighters dominated every fight against the Elite guys. That looks really bad for Elite.

I don't care if i really ever see cross promotion fights, only one i would like to see if Fedor fighting someone from the UFC but other then that i don't care if it happens.

UFC has the best LHW in the world, WW in the world, LW in the world.

I mean they have the top 3 mw's in the world, Hendo Anderson and Filho. Only other guy that really could beat them is Lindland and he isn't really fighting for any of them right now. Fedor is the number 1 hw.

Shields is very good but he isnt the best WW in the world. He would certainly give anyone problems though.

lots of ramble on my part lol

[Palma]

Originally Posted by Dork8503

to me all the MMA orgs doing shows is like Tom Brady going to the Lions for 1 game.

Still don't see why someone like the UFC should share there glory by sending someone like lets say Tito to fight one of there LHW's in a ppv.

UFC has nothing to gain by doing things like this, only have things to lose. Say there fighter loses, or more fans tune in to Elite or M-1 because of the show, then UFC loses money.

Only people that Gain from this are the fans. I mean lets say UFC did do a show together an UFC fighters dominated every fight against the Elite guys. That looks really bad for Elite.

I don't care if i really ever see cross promotion fights, only one i would like to see if Fedor fighting someone from the UFC but other then that i don't care if it happens.

UFC has the best LHW in the world, WW in the world, LW in the world.

I mean they have the top 3 mw's in the world, Hendo Anderson and Filho. Only other guy that really could beat them is Lindland and he isn't really fighting for any of them right now. Fedor is the number 1 hw.

Shields is very good but he isnt the best WW in the world. He would certainly give anyone problems though.

lots of ramble on my part lol

I agree with what you are saying, but it is mostly because the UFC has monopolized all the talent. And when they don't sign someone good they get the fans to turn on them like this is Pro-wrestling.

I think Fedor is the perfect example of a cross-promotion fight that would bring in more money for the UFC (even if they are splitting the profit with M1) then if they didn't do it at all.

As talent spreads throughout the different orgs over next few years, cross-promotion fights are going to be come more and more common until they eventually become the norm.

[sandywh]

There is absolutely no denying the depth of the UFC roster, but take away the TUFers, who are typically overhyped, and you've got guys that are only names because they fight in the UFC.

We could debate the champion issue all day between UFC and EXC, but the real debate should come to the rest of these divisions.

Mike Pyle, Antonio Silva, and others would be highly regarded in the UFC, yet those names are barely recognizable to most fans.

With what Gary Shaw is doing in "keeping" his talent in EXC, it has to be raising eyebrows across the sport. Resigning Shields to a long term deal that pays him like a top UFC fighter is undoubtably a big deal. Being able to keep other notable fighters away from the UFC (Ninja, Lawler, Antonio Silva, KJ Noons, Paul Daly) should not go unnoticed.

Shaw may be a little over the top with his comments, but he's not out of line. Elite XC is no where ready to go head to head with UFC yet, but in a few more years and with the cross promoting they are doing, they could become a poor man's Pride.

I believe that in the next 18 months EXC will snatch up several unhappy UFC fighters, such as Karo, Tito, and even some TUFers, and that will begin to bring them more and more recognition.

[YukonJordan]

Originally Posted by bryanw33

guys like Nick Diaz, while entertaining, was an average fighter in the UFC, and he by all means got lucky to get that win over Gomi, and Im not a Gomi fan by any means, but just because Nick Diaz beat that guy, doesnt mean hes 1 of the best in the world at his weight, because in all honesty, hes not

I thought that was a no-contest?

Like the vast majority of posters I have to agree, Gary Shaw is a moron if he thinks he's going to get some free publicity out of Dana White.

The UFC has the balance of talent in every division but lets just look at the champs and see if there's anyone in any other organization that could beat them.

145- Don't know if anyone else has any well known 145lbers but I doubt they could beat Faber.

155- Soon to be champ Penn is hands down the most talented.

170- GSP, enough said. If you think Shields could beat him give your head a shake. The guy took the paper championship instead of fighting in the UFC when he had the chance.

185- Silva. Franklin would destroy Lawler almost as bad as Silva dispatched him. Putting Anderson Silva in the same ring as Robbie Lawler is bordering on criminal.

205-Rampage, Silva, Griffin, Jardine, Ortiz, Rua, Liddell. Nobody from the outside is touching this division.

205+ -Fedor is the only non-UFC fighter who can challenge for the top in a UFC division. Sadly he's too busy fighting guys with 45 chromosomes and being led around airports like gradeschooler.

It's been said before but the UFC has nothing to gain from cross promotion. You don't see the New England Patriots playing the Saskachewan Roughriders...