Gonzaga wants title

[Ramma]

Originally Posted by CESSPOOL

If his shots were so great, why couldn't he finish the fight? He had a good strategy yes. But shots like that in the first 15 seconds of a fight are not pure skill, but a lot of luck. I guess Houston has good strategy also? he was panned for what he did. but at least he finished his fights. after the initial blow, tim's confidence was shattered, and that made Randy's job all the much easier.

Randy's head was on top of his nose the entire trip down. He tried to grab the fence but there was no resistance on the way down. his attempt to grab had was nothing more than an attempt.

and I have never heard of his leg hitting him crap. I have watched it several times and randy's head is on top of his nose.

Just because I don't agree with you and don't have X-thousand posts, doesn't make the post poor. It's my opinion. I think randy did it on purpose and it panned out.

First off... who said anything about you "having to agree with me" or your opinion being poor because of your "post count"... I never said any such thing.

I got news for you, Sylvia has a tough friggin jaw and his height takes a lot of power off of people's punches...

Arlovski, at the time a KOing machine, dropped Sylvia with two punches, and Sylvia was not out. Randy, having never KOed anyone in his career, dropped Sylvia with a perfect shot. Which, once again, he landed multiple times... you cannot do something over and over again and have it be luck. Randy Couture is an experienced fighter and knew how to hit Sylvia.

Here is the best angle possible of the slam.. nice and blown up for you.. you will notice that Randy's head spends most of the slam next to Gonzaga's chest (not against Gonzaga's nose, as you claim) and upon impact his head is tucked next to Gonzaga.. if it had not been tucked.. you would see his head sandwiched between Gonzaga's face and knee.. When Gonzaga's knee bounces off his face, Randy's head is no where near Gonzaga's nose. There is even a picture floating around the net that shows how Randy's head is tucked and Gonzaga's knee is across his face.




I called your post poor because you make baseless allegations that Couture is a lucky cheater. I guess his wins over Liddell, Belfort (his first loss mind you), Tito, and everybody else are pure luck. You have yet to put forth one single piece of evidence that proves any of your points.

[the dazzle]

Originally Posted by rivethead

I don't dislike GG, but I've been saying I'll take Fabricio to win for a sig bet for a while now...

rh

let me know when you find taker lol. i for one wouldnt bet against Werdum. As for GG wanting the title, wait in line, he had his chance and lost. Time to climb the ladder again bud.

[Warchief]

Originally Posted by TN94z

He is a monster and I can definately see him being a big threat in the HW division depending on how much he has improved.

Yea he is a monter alright, a monster that was dominated and beaten by 44 years old man...he has a chance for the belt before but he blew it.

[Penn4prezident]

Originally Posted by CESSPOOL

Here goes a conspiracy theory...

I really believe the fight with Randy, was going to be GG's. I think Randy new he had to fight smarter, which he did.

No disrespect to randy, The guy is great and you have to love him. But, I think he got lucky with the hit on Tim, who sucks. Tim wins fights on size. That's it. Others don't know how to deal with it and they end up losing. I really do believe this. Randy got a lucky punch on a guy that towers over him. That killed Tim's confidence and when it went to the ground, Randy is a much better there, as we all know. the rest of the fight was over because Tim was destroyed mentally. "How did this little guy get inside on me?" the first win has to come upstairs, and tim fell a long way down.

Next comes GG. A well rounded fighter, but young. I think randy landed on him they way he did intentionally with the hopes of smashing his face, or as he did, breaking his nose. Randy has been around Too long to have this happen on accident. The man has wrestled to long, fought too many times and slammed enough people to know what he is doing. Head butts are illegal, but "accidents" happen and are allowed. randy set this up and executed it perfectly. gabe is young and has probably never fought with a broken nose. he didn't know what to do, has never experienced this and panicked. costing himself the fight.

randy won. n o doubt. A little dirty? I think so, but legal. Randy has to fight smarter. He has said it himself being 43 and all. he is naturally slowed down, lost strength, and his reflexes have dulled. But his mind is sharp. In take nothing from him, he has had an incredible career. the fight with Fedor (if it happens) will be technique vs wit. Randy gets far too much credit for beating Tim, who I doubt would even be fighting if he were 6 inches shorter, and a dirty slam.

I think Gabe is the real deal and has a big future. He will be hard to topple now. I think that lose will end up being very instrumental for his future. Perhaps the greatest lesson in his career so far. we always learn so much more from defeat than domination.

I think the idea that randy used a dirty slam is ridiculous and unfounded. Just cuz the guy has slammed a lot of people you think you can plan on that happenning. I don't even train but even I know from being a fan that you have to lean your body into it to commit to a slam like that. He can't predict where the guys head is gonna be at the moment of impact. if it were possible to perfectly strategize something like that we would likely see it done much more often and from fighters with much less class and honor as couture. He looked perfectly quick and athletic in both the fight against Tim and Gabe. It was a fast punch past his dull defense(not a lucky shot) that knocked him down. And if that is all it takes for an experienced champion(whether you like him or not) who has defended multiple times to get mentally defeated and stripped of all confidence, (which sounds like pure speculation, correct me if thats wrong) than so be it. I guess he couldn't compete with Randy's mental strength/strategy/athleticism/relentlessness ect. So I guess randy's the better champion, isn't he. and as far as the Gonzaga slam, and also i think griping the fence as he hurdled down also negates any "conspiracy theory" about how it could hav been a something intentional. who knows where his head would b if it wouldn't have happenned.

Was it really Gabe's own knee that bashed his face?? I never knew that if that is true.

[Brutus]

Originally Posted by Penn4prezident

I think the idea that randy used a dirty slam is ridiculous and unfounded. Just cuz the guy has slammed a lot of people you think you can plan on that happenning. I don't even train but even I know from being a fan that you have to lean your body into it to commit to a slam like that. He can't predict where the guys head is gonna be at the moment of impact. if it were possible to perfectly strategize something like that we would likely see it done much more often and from fighters with much less class and honor as couture. He looked perfectly quick and athletic in both the fight against Tim and Gabe. It was a fast punch past his dull defense(not a lucky shot) that knocked him down. And if that is all it takes for an experienced champion(whether you like him or not) who has defended multiple times to get mentally defeated and stripped of all confidence, (which sounds like pure speculation, correct me if thats wrong) than so be it. I guess he couldn't compete with Randy's mental strength/strategy/athleticism/relentlessness ect. So I guess randy's the better champion, isn't he. and as far as the Gonzaga slam, and also i think griping the fence as he hurdled down also negates any "conspiracy theory" about how it could hav been a something intentional. who knows where his head would b if it wouldn't have happenned.

Was it really Gabe's own knee that bashed his face?? I never knew that if that is true.

with all said, i agree completely. that is pretty much an overview of what happened.

and yes, it was Gabe's own knee that Ko'd his own nose. even Randy said, when i met him, that he heard the crunch, not felt it on his head.

[rivethead]

Originally Posted by Hunchbacked Lemur

with all said, i agree completely. that is pretty much an overview of what happened.

and yes, it was Gabe's own knee that Ko'd his own nose. even Randy said, when i met him, that he heard the crunch, not felt it on his head.

I'm not buying the knee...although I do agree that it was GG's fault for grabbing the cage.

rh

[Ramma]

Originally Posted by Penn4prezident

Was it really Gabe's own knee that bashed his face?? I never knew that if that is true.

It was Gabe's own knee... see the gif I posted above.

[CESSPOOL]

That GIF proves nothing. It is a choppy and dark and has a bad angle. I'll watch it again when I get home.

[TN94z]

Originally Posted by Warchief

Yea he is a monter alright, a monster that was dominated and beaten by 44 years old man...he has a chance for the belt before but he blew it.

There aren't alot of guys that could beat that 44 year old man. That doesn't make GG any less of a fighter. This statement makes it sound like anyone that gets beat by a 44 year old man is nothing. A little extreme, don't you think?

[Warchief]

Originally Posted by TN94z

There aren't alot of guys that could beat that 44 year old man. That doesn't make GG any less of a fighter. This statement makes it sound like anyone that gets beat by a 44 year old man is nothing. A little extreme, don't you think?

I'm not saying he is nothing and less of a fighter, yea he is talented and a tough guy...but not monster.