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Old 09-11-2006, 10:34 AM
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Do u realise how good of a kickboxer Cro-cop is?

he has wins over Bob Sapp, Remy Bonjasky, Jerome Le Banner, Sam Greco, Mark Hunt

the only thing Wandy could of done was try and strike with him, Chuck hits very hard and can knock anyone out but it wont be easy against Wandy nor will he run through Wandy, even if he was 4 lbs lighter then Cro-cop he isnt a natural HW! I mean atleast hes makin a statement about Chuck losing to a guy in his own weight division, your making one about a guy whos naturally 30 LBs bigger then Wandy and has fought at that weight most of his career. How can you say that Chuck will run thru Wandy just cuz Cro-cop knocked him out? be honest do you really think Chuck hits as hard as Cro-cop can kick?
im not saying that chuck would run through silva, im saying that if wand brought the same fight and gameplan into a fight with chuck that the ending would be similar ... silva being KO'd.

Trust me, i think Wand is a very talented fighter and i think he is a much better fighter than he appeared to be against crocop. CroCop looked like he was on top of his game last night and probably has a good chance of beating any fighter in the world if he brings his A game.
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Old 09-11-2006, 10:37 AM
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im not saying that chuck would run through silva, im saying that if wand brought the same fight and gameplan into a fight with chuck that the ending would be similar ... silva being KO'd.

Trust me, i think Wand is a very talented fighter and i think he is a much better fighter than he appeared to be against crocop. CroCop looked like he was on top of his game last night and probably has a good chance of beating any fighter in the world if he brings his A game.
well im sure that Wand will game plan differently for Chuck then he would against Cro-cop, he was at a disadvantage kinda hard to gameplan for that.. its not that hard to gameplan against chuck especially when your a world class striker, the problem with the wrestlers that faced him is they had no confidence in there own ability and followed the same route as Randy Couture and just didnt go for the takedown, and tried to strike with a counter-puncher knowing that they arent even elite let alone world class strikers. Wandy can strike with Chuck, he can take a punch, he can knock Chuck out as well as Chuck can knock Wandy out.. going by history and talent my opinion is that Wandy would win.
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im not saying that chuck would run through silva, im saying that if wand brought the same fight and gameplan into a fight with chuck that the ending would be similar ... silva being KO'd.

Trust me, i think Wand is a very talented fighter and i think he is a much better fighter than he appeared to be against crocop. CroCop looked like he was on top of his game last night and probably has a good chance of beating any fighter in the world if he brings his A game.
See this is where we disagree. Wand can have the same game plan against Chuck and he would still win most likely, because Wand is the man. Wand didn't really have a bad game plan, he was the same Wand he always is but your not giving Cro Cop enough credit for taking that fight. It was nothing Wand could do at that point. CCs take down defense is pretty good and Wand doesn't like to go to the ground anyway and it's not like he would sub Cro Cop. Wand couldn't win in that fight, and neither could Chuck.
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Old 09-11-2006, 10:47 AM
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Cro-cop is like a HW chuck just hes a better striker cuz hes a great counter-puncher as well as kickboxer, hes got great takedown D, and a lot more knockout power

so hes really a filthy rich man's Chuck Liddell

Heres what I see though, I see a Chuck/Wandy fight goin the same way as Chuck/Rampage because I dont think one punch is gonna be enough. That was the problem in the Rampage fight, Chuck would counter punch well and connect with punches that would of put the usual wrestlers he fights on there back but not Rampage, hes got a ton of heart and a steel chin just like Wandy.. Wandy probably has more chin though and definently has better recovery. Chuck can make him miss no doubt but when he hits with that one punch if hes not lucky enough to knock him out he will end up in trouble because Wandy will hit you 3 or 4 times after that one punch, hit you hard and your gonna have to reload.. and that'll be very hard to do against Silva cuz it was very hard for Chuck to do it against Rampage, Rampage out-struck Chuck because he couldnt KO Rampage and Rampage would unload after that one hit and was able to take Chuck to the ground. I really dont see one punch getting the job done against Wandy, cuz it never has in the past.. he just fought Cro-cop who has the most KO power of any MMA fighter out right now and it took Cro-cop 5 mins of beatin Wandy to get him tired enough to KO him with a kick that could of killed him. Chuck hits hard, and he hits bulls-eyes but the difference between Wandy and the many wrestlers Chuck has fought.. when Wandy gets hit on the bulls-eye he doesnt go down.
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I don't know, I think Chuck VS Cro Cop would kind of be a boring fighter. They are both the best counter punchers in their various organizations. Granted Cro Cop is a much much MUCH superior striker than Chuck, I just see this fight being kind of boring.
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...it took Cro-cop 5 mins of beatin Wandy to get him tired enough to KO him with a kick that could of killed him. Chuck hits hard, and he hits bulls-eyes but the difference between Wandy and the many wrestlers Chuck has fought.. when Wandy gets hit on the bulls-eye he doesnt go down.
Exactly. On one of the first body kicks that Mirko landed, I checked my ribs to make sure they werent broken. Wanderlei kept going like a little tank, I give all the credit in the world for that. But I jumped up when Mirko landed the missle and Wanderlei dropped.
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Cro-cop is like a HW chuck just hes a better striker cuz hes a great counter-puncher as well as kickboxer, hes got great takedown D, and a lot more knockout power
Didn't know what you were trying to say here?
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Sure Wand has a great chin but I don't think he can withstand a punch by Chuck. Chuck has fought enough to recognize the smell of blood and if he lands a good shot, he'll follow up to finish the fight.

But then, this goes same with Wand also. Wand can also knockout Chuck just as easily. Only thing I can say against Wand is that he is much more aggressive and he can open himself up for a big shot if he misses with his punches. But then, it is so much more exciting watching Wand go wild then watch chuck fight. I think it will be a great fight if they fought.

Cro-cop Vs. Chuck? I would give it to Cro Cop for sure. I don't think UFC has a fighter like CroCop and Crocop would just kick the crap out of Chuck. I would love to see it too. I hate it when all these dumb UFC fighters talk about how superior UFC fighters are to Pride Fighters. They never seem to have more then one or two contenders for a belt and their fightcards are just simply CRAP!

Think on this. UFC 63: Hughes Vs Penn, and then Swick Vs. Loiseau??? You've got to be kidding me if I am going to spend $30-40 to watch a one good fight. Damn UFC...more I think about it more I hate their tactics.

Anyways, so all the hype about Chuck fighting Wand and Rampage are off now? So Chuck is going to fight Tito 5 or 6 more times for a title? This is just BS!
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Old 09-11-2006, 06:24 PM
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if he indeed did move up to heavyweight..do you think that he could take on time sylvia...the reach advantage might be too much for chuck...I for one would like to see him and arlovski go at it, chuck and kongo might be a battle
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Old 09-11-2006, 06:33 PM
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I think Rampage has Chucks number it just doesnt seem like Chuck can Hurt him as I have said countless times.
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