Question about Cotto - Page 2

Afro · #11 (**permalink**) 12-10-2007, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by harlemhustla145

I'm trying to find some reasoning to you thinking Cotto can beat him.

Of course I know about weight cutting, every fighter has to do it. I do know Forrest has a big height advantage but I don't think Height played as much as much of an advantage because of the way Forrest beat him. He's just counter punched and clinched., he didn't even take advantage of him height advantage because all Mosley did was come inside.

Anyway, it's a matter of opinion and because of our lil debate, I pray they fight so you, Dork and anyone else can stop thinking I'm on crack and snort coke lol.

Reasoning to thinking Cotto can beat him? ok why is it that a Top 3 WW like Cotto needs some sort of expert reasoning to why he can beat PBF? emphasis on the word "can" I am not saying he will, I think he will.. but I am not saying that its a given.. why do you seem to think that every single boxing match is a one-sided affair? have you ever looked at any fight and picked a close winner? it seems that every single fight in which you make a prediction.. you go about the other fighter having no chance.

Listen, as much as you dont want to admit it... Boxing is a competitive sport.. and when two great boxers meet in the ring.. its going to be competitive, and competitive does not mean one-sided.. it means back and forth.. flip a coin to decide the winner.

PBF vs Hatton was back and forth up until the 10th round.. hell Hatton won the first half of the fight, yet you seem to think Hatton is a can.

suprisingly.. Hatton did a lot better then your boy DLH did.. yet DLH got a BS split decision (you seem to like to argue how DLH gets shafted in decisions why not discuss the gift that was the split decision call vs PBF?)

Hatton got TKO'd but what I saw is a guy who was winning the fight, and could of won the fight.. what I saw in the DLH/PBF fight.. was pretty one-sided I didnt see where DLH could win the fight.. the only difference argument there is DLH lasted longer.

PBF is great, how much do I have to praise him? you know what I think of him... but its retarded to think that hes gonna dominate everyone he faces.. he didnt dominate Hatton.. so why do you think SSM and Cotto need expert reasoning for why they wont get dominated?

Harlem · #12 (**permalink**) 12-10-2007, 01:59 PM

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Reasoning to thinking Cotto can beat him? ok why is it that a Top 3 WW like Cotto needs some sort of expert reasoning to why he can beat PBF? emphasis on the word "can" I am not saying he will, I think he will.. but I am not saying that its a given.. why do you seem to think that every single boxing match is a one-sided affair? have you ever looked at any fight and picked a close winner? it seems that every single fight in which you make a prediction.. you go about the other fighter having no chance.

Of course I have picked fights I thought would be close. BHop vs Winky, BHop vs Taylor even DLH vs PBF....I just thought PBF would of easily beat Hatton. I was wrong, so what

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PBF vs Hatton was back and forth up until the 10th round.. hell Hatton won the first half of the fight, yet you seem to think Hatton is a can.

I think Hatton is great great fighter, before and after PBF. Hell he KO'd JLC and Kostya Tsu...No easy feats there.

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suprisingly.. Hatton did a lot better then your boy DLH did.. yet DLH got a BS split decision (you seem to like to argue how DLH gets shafted in decisions why not discuss the gift that was the split decision call vs PBF?)

I disagree. Many people felt DLH won that fight. He applied pressure and threw combos on the ropes. DLH did better in my opinion beause he avoided all those fush punches that made hatton look like a bumbling idiot

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PBF is great, how much do I have to praise him? you know what I think of him... but its retarded to think that hes gonna dominate everyone he faces.. he didnt dominate Hatton.. so why do you think SSM and Cotto need expert reasoning for why they wont get dominated?

Just thought you may have had a expert reason.

Afro · #13 (**permalink**) 12-10-2007, 02:10 PM

I have an expert reason thats real simple

Cotto is deservingly a Top 3 WW, and PBF is deservingly the #1 WW in the world.. its real simple when the #1 and quite frankly the #2 WWs in the world face eachother.. its gonna be a close match, especially since PBFs last fight was a battle.. and it was not against the #2 WW in the world, on top of that.. Cotto presents a style that would make a fight with PBF close.. Hatton is a damn good pressure fighter.. but he clinches a ton.. Cotto on the other hand is an excellent pressure fighter, who instead of clinching.. throws punches plus hes very fast.

I disagree with anyone who found DLH to of won that fight, it was based of off reasoning I dont agree with.. which is simple movement.. people kept making the case that DLH pushed foward so he won the fight.. no thank you to that argument.. he threw punches in bunches.. small spurts of combos.. not enough to beat PBF who was tagging him all night long, DLH got outboxed in that fight.. I thought DLH maybe won 3-4 rounds at most.

Caine2878 · #14 (**permalink**) 12-10-2007, 03:02 PM

Here is my take on why Cotto has a "chance" to beat PBF. Hatton needed PBF to define his legacy as a great fighter. With that being said he tried to a little too hard and did not stick to the gameplan. Floyd got in his head and messed him up. (You could see that on the one episode of 24/7 when he was in the car saying he was ready for this fight more than Floyd. It was like he was trying to convince himself of that). Cotto does not need PBF to cemente his legacy. If he continues they was he has (beating SSM) and possibly going on to beat more big names. His legacy will be fine. I do not believe PBF can get into Cotto's head like he did with Hatton. Cotto is not the type of fighter that's going to go back and forth with you with insults leading up to the fight and that alone might get to Floyd. Cotto is a hard charging kid that just wants to fight. He doesn't get into all that side show stuff the sucked up Hatton.

Harlem · #15 (**permalink**) 12-10-2007, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Caine2878

Here is my take on why Cotto has a "chance" to beat PBF. Hatton needed PBF to define his legacy as a great fighter. With that being said he tried to a little too hard and did not stick to the gameplan. Floyd got in his head and messed him up. (You could see that on the one episode of 24/7 when he was in the car saying he was ready for this fight more than Floyd. It was like he was trying to convince himself of that). Cotto does not need PBF to cemente his legacy. If he continues they was he has (beating SSM) and possibly going on to beat more big names. His legacy will be fine. I do not believe PBF can get into Cotto's head like he did with Hatton. Cotto is not the type of fighter that's going to go back and forth with you with insults leading up to the fight and that alone might get to Floyd. Cotto is a hard charging kid that just wants to fight. He doesn't get into all that side show stuff the sucked up Hatton.

Cotto may have a chance, but I think PBF would get under anybody's skin. I think Cotto would get caught up in the hype because PBF would be disrespecting him and antagonizing him all 24/7 IMO.

IMO all fighters have a volitile side to them if someone brings it out. Personally I think Cotto would try and hit him at the press conference with all the shit talking PBF would do.

notrightn0w · #16 (**permalink**) 12-10-2007, 11:46 PM

Cotto does have the best chance.

I figured it would be Cotto who beats him. De La Hoya came close, but stopped jabbing like a tool. Either way, nothing is written in stone in any sport.

Hatton never had a chance, a wild brawler like that has no chance of beating one of the best technicians boxing has ever seen.