Cotto vs PBF

[Harlem]

Originally Posted by Afro

This is where the discussion ends, come back when you hold a mature conversation.

OK now im ready, would you like to respond to anything else i said? lol

[Afro]

Ya how about this, Mosley mos def beat him in the first fight.. say what you want about the 2nd fight its a matter of opinion, boxing is very hard to judge, you can say well I think that DLH won all you want but stating it as fact is bullshit and it makes you look biased and no one cares about what a biased man has to say.

DLH could beat anyone he wants, will he? No, man is too old.. im sorry but DLH fans are the only ones holding on to the hope that DLH is still a great boxer.. hes too old, his mind isnt even focused on boxing anymore its always a day to day decision on whether he'll box again I cant bank on someone with that little of commitment to beating anyone.. he never was talented boxer to begin with

You know what made DLH great? fighting any and everybody no matter what, and beating most of them as well.. but he was never among the most talented boxers in the world but he was just outside that door, add that to the fact that he was popular, and had a ton of heart, and fought everyone there was.. and you got a legend. I dont understand why people have to stretch that to DLH being an amazingly talented boxer that can beat any and everybody.. especially today when hes clearly past his prime.

DLH was never going to beat PBF, you and I both knew that.. but it seems were passing the title of "Most overrated boxer" on to PBF now

Either way, im quite sick of arguing with people who I believe to be intelligent like yourself when all they can do is play matchmaker. You keep bringing up this fight, and that fight but why cant you seem to dial in on the actual fight were talking about? why does it matter who PBF has fought before and who Cotto has fought before and what they couldnt do in those fights? theres over a million different styles in fighting buddy, you cant take one fight and compare it to another to the extent that you can pick a winner.. we were discussing Cotto vs PBF, and what would happen in this fight, it doesnt matter who Cotto beat or couldnt beat.. it doesnt matter who PBF beat or couldnt beat.. if Cotto has the right style to beat PBF then hes going to beat PBF.. and thats a matter of opinion. Its stupid to bring up other fights in that manner.

Furthermore, I see a lot of excuses for DLH.. B-Hop was too big for him, he was robbed vs Mosley, vs Trinidad, hes never lost at WW.. ya, ya.. but wasnt Strum robbed vs DLH? on top of that were talking about how DLH was robbed and has beaten everyone at his natural weight class but the 2nd DLH/Mosley fight was at Light Middleweight.. outside of both Mosley and DLHs weight class.. that fight shouldnt even matter in my book.. both DLH and Mosley belong at WW.. Mosley beat his ass at WW, Mosley and DLH both struggle agaisnt bigger fighters outside of the WW class either way.

Maybe im sick of the DLH apologist.. ive heard that DLH would run through PBF well before the fight, ive heard that DLH has never lost a fight other then the 1st Mosley fight and that every other fight he was robbed in (The idiot forgot to mention the Hopkins KO) so excuse me if im sick of hearing it.

[Dork8503]

Originally Posted by harlemhustla145

You just don't like DLH, but accually, he is still one of the P4P best, and like I said, Mosley didn't really beat him the 2nd time, it was a gift. Any sane person who saw that fight including the commentators said the same thing. Mosley was seriously outclassed in that 2nd fight.

Furthermore, DLH could beat Cotto, Hatton, hell, pretty much everybody in the WW division except for PBF and that very tall dude who beat Margarito.

What are you judging DLH's and PBF's skills by? First of all, PBF is still undefeated and no one except for JLC the first time has come close to beating him, and DLH has beaten everybody, or was robbed in his natural divisions, especially in his prime.

BHop was wayyy to big and DLH beat the snot out of mosley the second time. You really need to watch that fight again so you can have a lil more respect for DLH's skills.

So can't Paul Williams. He is good but hasn't showed anything to make me think he is even that good.

sounds like you just hate on Cotto.

[Harlem]

Originally Posted by Dork8503

So can't Paul Williams. He is good but hasn't showed anything to make me think he is even that good.

sounds like you just hate on Cotto.

sed to like DLH at all. I thought Ike Quartey would beat him (and if you watched boxing at that time, you would know everybody thought Ike was invincible) I hoped JCC would beat him, Pernell Whitaker I hoped would beat him, I used to hate him. I just realized that he was extremly talented, and for you to say he isn't is crazy. DLH is clearly one of the best ever IMO but he just went too far up in weight. That's the only reason he lost like he did against BHop and Strum.

Height and reach play a very big advantage when it comes to boxing, hell even MMA with the right striker.

[Afro]

Originally Posted by harlemhustla145

sed to like DLH at all. I thought Ike Quartey would beat him (and if you watched boxing at that time, you would know everybody thought Ike was invincible) I hoped JCC would beat him, Pernell Whitaker I hoped would beat him, I used to hate him. I just realized that he was extremly talented, and for you to say he isn't is crazy. DLH is clearly one of the best ever IMO but he just went too far up in weight. That's the only reason he lost like he did against BHop and Strum.

Height and reach play a very big advantage when it comes to boxing, hell even MMA with the right striker.

DLH being one of the best ever is laughable unless best ever ranges in the Top 25 or Top 50 cuz he certainly isnt Top 10.

[Dork8503]

Originally Posted by harlemhustla145

sed to like DLH at all. I thought Ike Quartey would beat him (and if you watched boxing at that time, you would know everybody thought Ike was invincible) I hoped JCC would beat him, Pernell Whitaker I hoped would beat him, I used to hate him. I just realized that he was extremly talented, and for you to say he isn't is crazy. DLH is clearly one of the best ever IMO but he just went too far up in weight. That's the only reason he lost like he did against BHop and Strum.

Height and reach play a very big advantage when it comes to boxing, hell even MMA with the right striker.

I never said DLH was not good or questioned him. Cotto in coming in Oscar coming out, big difference.

I have loved Oscar for years an still do, i still think cotto takes him.

by the way i thought the first Oscar Shane fight was super close, and second fight i don't see how Oscar lost, he clearly won that fight.

[Harlem]

Originally Posted by Dork8503

I never said DLH was not good or questioned him. Cotto in coming in Oscar coming out, big difference.

I have loved Oscar for years an still do, i still think cotto takes him.

by the way i thought the first Oscar Shane fight was super close, and second fight i don't see how Oscar lost, he clearly won that fight.

Dork, that comment wasn't even for you. I was drunk and I think I erased what I had to say to you in mid sentence, and forgot totally forgot what I was going to say to you, and instead talked to Afro without even realizing. Sorry!

BTW, I respect your opinion, and I'm glad you know DLH is incredibly talented.

[Harlem]

Originally Posted by Afro

DLH being one of the best ever is laughable unless best ever ranges in the Top 25 or Top 50 cuz he certainly isnt Top 10.

This is rediculous. DLH is a former Olymipic gold medalist, he beat Jorge Paez, John John Molina, Rafael Ruelas, Genaro Hernandez, Jessie James Leija, JCC, Pernell Whitaker, Hector Camacho, and Oba Carr. Besides the obvious P4P fighters he's fought, these are some of the best fighters in the 90s.

How can you say he isn't at least in the top 20? I would say top 10 but I'll give you the benifit, but to say he isn't in the top 20 tells me you just don't like him.

[Dork8503]

Originally Posted by harlemhustla145

Dork, that comment wasn't even for you. I was drunk and I think I erased what I had to say to you in mid sentence, and forgot totally forgot what I was going to say to you, and instead talked to Afro without even realizing. Sorry!

BTW, I respect your opinion, and I'm glad you know DLH is incredibly talented.

I might not now as much about boxing as you an afro an probably smoking crack but i Oscar won 6 rounds in that first fight, and the second fight i thought Oscar won that hands down and was pissed when i heard them announce the score.

Oscar is one of my favorite well prob is actually my favorite fighter or all time well no Ali is first Oscar second.

Oscar is the man just on his way out, but even on his way out can beat most fighters still

[Afro]

Originally Posted by harlemhustla145

This is rediculous. DLH is a former Olymipic gold medalist, he beat Jorge Paez, John John Molina, Rafael Ruelas, Genaro Hernandez, Jessie James Leija, JCC, Pernell Whitaker, Hector Camacho, and Oba Carr. Besides the obvious P4P fighters he's fought, these are some of the best fighters in the 90s.

How can you say he isn't at least in the top 20? I would say top 10 but I'll give you the benifit, but to say he isn't in the top 20 tells me you just don't like him.

Are you still drunk? Cuz thats not what im saying, Im saying hes most definently NOT Top 10.