Ok and i've been watching this sport since the early 80s. PLUS i have a video library filled in my head of old fights that i've watched on espn classics and anywhere else i had access to them like the internet. No one, as far as i know that has better things to do, is going to sit for 2 freakin hours reading 1 PERSON'S posts. You're not that important, it has shit to do with anything that was written in it because i didn't read it like i told you the first time. You're nothing but a Lennox fanboy from what i see. lol But since you keep bringing it up i just now glanced over your first post so forgive me genius if i miss something. First of all i guess you knew nothing of Tyson and Lewis' history training together and their friendship, that wasn't pulled out of my ass, i have pics care to see? As a matter of fact i believe Tyson mentioned it at the end of their fight also, their history or at least some. This Holyfield pricing himself out with costs of $20,$25, and $30 mil is bullshit. That kind of money WOULD NOT have been made back then for them to fight. Yet you insist they gave it to him and he kept going up past 30 until they refused, THAT'S crap. The whole Tyson argument was meaningless so i didn't really read that part, Tyson didn't have great competition either and i seen him struggle against a decent boxer early in his career, he won by knockout eventually but struggled all the way until that point and actually seemed as he was going to lose. That's why i chuckle at times when people ask who would win between him and Ali in their primes. So that was just you adding something that didn't even apply to this. And since you brought it up, yeah Vitali was not great either. Better than his brother, yes but not a great fighter. He had size in a very mediorce division and he was handing Lewis his ass until they stopped it for the cut. And don't even get me started on Rahman and McCall, two less than stellar fighters he lost to. Mercer a very average fighter gave him all he could handle along with an OLD out of prime Holyfield. People might say but Lewis was old too, bullshit. Holyfield aged quicker because he fought wars. Plus Lewis like some people got better with age (Randy Couture) plus he had Manny takeover his training. He's not in my top 10 of all time and obviously i'm not the only one. I'm assuming he's your favorite boxer at how defensive you seem you need to get to defend him, that's fine but you need to chill out with the name calling bullshit, we don't roll like that around here. Feel free to bash all you want with facts, that's all good but leave it at that. I will say this, i was never a fan of his for whatever reason he just did nothing for me when i watched him fight, BUT had Manny trained him from the get go i truly believe he could've broke the top 10 of all time because of his skills. He was two different fighters pre Manny era and when Manny took over. He tightened up his game A LOT. You don't think i know boxing, stick around this forum.
Oh BTW i work at my real job with one of the guys who use to help train him, his name is Harold. He never said anything negative about him, but if ever there was some 'facts' in boxing, this guy knows. I'll be sure to get his take on this conversation when i see him again to see what he says. I can't argue with him being that he was on the inside and friends with everyone including Lewis, King, Manny, and anyone else who was a whose who of boxing from the 80s on. I'll come back and write what he tells me whether it's agreeing or disagreeing with me.
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