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Comparing those records is kinda stupid actually, 2 of Tito's wins were against Shamrock so throw them out and your left with the Forrest win which could have easily gone the other way and should have at least been a draw.
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The UFC pushed that Ken Shamrock-Tito feud through the Ultimate Fighter and tons of people were talking about it when it was happening. Then they pushed and pushed for the rematch because it got stopped early. You can hardly fault him for fighting Shamrock when they had a legit feud and made him and the UFC a ton of money. He fought who they wanted him to fight. And I wasn't comparing the records alone. I'm saying look what each guy has done over their last 5 fights, compare opponents, and the outcome of those fights.
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Originally Posted by rivethead
I've known a lot of athletes who came back fine from a torn ACL...speculating that Shogun's is career-ending/permenantly-debilitating is premature.
I wasn't speculating that he can't come back from it. I was saying that I won't speculate that he will come back as the Shogun that destroyed fighters in the past.
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How do you have Tito as beating Ken twice, but only losing to Chuck once? Why does Rampage only list as beating Chuck once? That is a rather slanted view of things. Shogun did more to convince he belongs at the top of the pack in one tournament than Tito has done in the last 6 years.
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I found the last 5 fights of each fighter. It's not a compilation of every fighters key fights. Being that professional sports is what have do done for me lately, I picked the last 5 fights and compared those results. And I do agree that Shogun is at the top, but with his knee injury, a torn ACL, I didn't throw him in the mix because 1) we don't know when he's coming back and 2) what condition he will be in when he does come back. I hope he comes back with a vengeance and destroys Chuck when that fight inevitably happens.
And I created the thread because of all of the other threads being all about Dana vs Tito, who deserves what. I wanted a general breakdown of these fighters with some compare and contrast, and to get a feel of what people thought as far as whether or not he should stay or go. And with UFC 84 being a week out, it's not a bad idea. I can tell you know, it has nothing to do with me being a Tito fan. I created a few threads about the last PPV and will make a thread about UFC 85 before it happens and 86 after that. I like talking on these forums while I am at work to pass the time when there is down time. I like to get the opinions of like minded individuals who like to debate the subjects. KC56 and Rivethead never disappoint in the debate. I value the opinions. Isn't that the point?