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Originally Posted by rivethead
Sure, I'll read threads, with the hope that there is something redeeming or even new and interesting about them...but there isn't. The only reason I posted this was the glaring omission of Shogun from whoever your source was. I've known a lot of athletes who came back fine from a torn ACL...speculating that Shogun's is career-ending/permenantly-debilitating is premature.
What the whole melodrama comes down to for me is there are fighters who are relevant, and fighters who aren't. There are fighters who don't say a lot before fights and gain all their respect from what they do in the ring [Anderson, Big Nog, GSP]; and fighters who talk smack, but back it up in the ring [Rampage, Penn].
And finally, there are fighters like Tito, who used to be relevant, and are now just a faded shadow of themselves; desperately trying to cling to relevancy by overhyping because they know they'll be underperforming. They're 14 and three-quarter minutes through their fifteen minutes of fame, and are more terrified of obscurity than anything.
I'm a huge Machida fan, and I hope he wins; but not because I "hate" Tito. If I hate anything, it's what Tito has become. If he was performing even close to his former level; if he'd made any effort to address the holes in his game; or to focus his energies on the industry that made him who he is, instead of pursuing celebrity as though it's an end in and of itself instead of a by-product; I could respect him again.
I don't care if he's talking nonsense, I don't care what org he's fighting for...he's a shadow of his former self, and he's not doing anything to change it. That's what sucks the most about Tito.
Hurray for a re-formed Team Punishment if it brings some actual talent to his camp that can teach Tito some Muy Thai, or BJJ, or even how to strike. If he does leave the UFC--which would be the best thing for him--I wish him the best...but only if he stops coasting on his name/drawing power and is 100% focused on fighting.
If he doesn't, he's maybe two years away from being the next Ken Shamrock. This isn't an industry you can dabble in, especially with the wealth of talent in the UFC's LHW division. He can probably coast on his name in a smaller organization for a little bit longer, but his sideshow act is already old to me.
He needs to either fight or quit. If he's distracted by money, he should try earning some in the cage.
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Amen!
RivetHead for President!
I think that I should start a poll called
"How many more polls / threads is thecoylewis going to start about Tito this week?"
We get it. You like Tito. Much like him, you are becoming a media whore.
I couldn't agree more with RH's post and about how Tito has been coasting on his name alone to try and seem like a top guy at LHW. I think that his name and marketability are both on a decline but they are just a bit behind how his fight game has been declining.
As for Dana calling Tito an idiot and one of the dumbest people he has met? I don't necessarily agree with it, but I get it.
There is a friend of my parents that has a son that has just become 18 or 19 or so. He went to college and got terrible grades and had to drop out. Now after one year of "life in the real world" he comes over and at dinners "tells us all how things are out there in the real world". He speculates about business and politics etc. To be nice about it, it makes my head hurt because he says the stupidest shit and really has no clue. Now, I have corrected him on a million things a million times, but he just keeps on going down his diluted path saying stupid things. I still correct him from time to time because I don't want my little brothers to ever take anything this jackass says to be fact, because it is not.
To hear Tito say on a public forum"I am a good businessman and I am good with numbers, so let me break it down for you" and then proceed to do the most self-serving, terrible numbers and math, to demonstrate how he should be paid more. Well, that has to make Dana's head hurt too.
Is it right? No. Do I get it? Yes. Do we need you to start another poll or thread about it? I certainly don't.
I further agree with RH that this thread is garbage. How do you have Tito as beating Ken twice, but only losing to Chuck once? Why does Rampage only list as beating Chuck once? That is a rather slanted view of things. Shogun did more to convince he belongs at the top of the pack in one tournament than Tito has done in the last 6 years.