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Originally Posted by bryanw33
Im not trying to argue with you, and bringing up frank shamrock, how long ago was that
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It was 8 years ago when Shamrock beat Tito in his last fight in the UFC, which was two years before his last real lost.
You said Elite was baiscally a farm system for the UFC. I pointed out to you that Elite has several ex-UFC fighters and not one fighter has come over from ELite to the UFC yet.
And then you said ex UFC fighters are only in Elite because they couldn't hang in the UFC. I pointed out that is not the case with Elites number 3 ranked MW.
And now you are questioning when Shamrock fought?
I discounted both of your points with facts and you still are creating more criteria to back up your original point, which seems lost by now.
It's a good thing you aren't trying to argue or you might have to actually realize that you don't know what you are talking about.
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Originally Posted by bryanw33
seriously, what guy do you know that plays pro sports to play in a league that isnt the cream of the crop, these guys know whats up
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You mean like how David Beckham plays for MLS?
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Originally Posted by bryanw33
and as far as what Dana says, I could care less what he says, I watch the UFC because for the most part they have the best fighters in the world, and getting back to my original point, this is all Shaw trying to hype his own show which is by far an inferior product
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How is it inferior? Because it isn't called "the UFC"?
They are a new org and they already have a MW division that is comporable to the UFC's. Imagine where they will be at this pace in 10 years from now.
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Originally Posted by bryanw33
guys like Nick Diaz, while entertaining, was an average fighter in the UFC, and he by all means got lucky to get that win over Gomi, and Im not a Gomi fan by any means, but just because Nick Diaz beat that guy, doesnt mean hes 1 of the best in the world at his weight, because in all honesty, hes not
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Is Gomi in the UFC?
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Originally Posted by bryanw33
Matt Serra beat St Pierre but noone thinks hes the greatest WW in the world
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What does this have to with Elite? Because the UFC champ is overrated then that somehow makes Elite less legitimate of an org?
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Originally Posted by bryanw33
what Im sayin is, no matter how you slice it, elitexc isnt on the same level as the UFC and Gary Shaw is on crack if he thinks they are
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Not on the same level how? Talent? That's what he is getting at. With cross-promotion all other orgs will have more talent then the UFC has.
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Originally Posted by bryanw33
seriously, Jake Shields wouldnt be top 5 in the UFC ww rankings
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This is where you are going to lose some credibility. OK, he wouldn't be in the top 5 WW, but he already beat the top 4 WW and the top 3 MW in the UFC.
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Robbie Lawler maybe, as far as MW's go, but I doubt it
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I think you are severly missing the point.
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Originally Posted by jasonIndiana
whats the difference in money the fighters get paid from the ufc to elite? i cant believe its a huge difference since the ufc fighters have their fight contracts plus ppv cuts and fight, sub, and (t)ko of the night. no big names leave the ufc for elite. because they make good money there and the ufc promotes the fighters more than any other org can.
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I don't know for every fighter specifically, but I heard Sheilds was offered half as much money for 4 fights with the UFC as he was for two fights with Elite. That's a fourth of what Elite was offering him.