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Originally Posted by ufobydeath
So are heel-hooks. If they're allowed - use 'em. It all comes down to self-discipline from your part (not cranking it too hard and giving the opponent a chance to tap) and common sense on the other guy's part (to know when to tap). Problem is that a lot of grapplers aren't too familiar with the moves and don't know when they should tap.
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Heel-hooks aren't allowed as well. I think in a perfect world there wouldn't be any subs that are illegal. As you said it does take common sense to tap, but I think the problem is that person applying the sub doesn't have the common sense to stop at a certain point if ther other guy isn't tapping. No tourny is worth destroying someone else's knee or bicept (imo).