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Originally Posted by Ubermensch

If Hendo couldn't take Frank down at will how is Rich (Renzo was a fluke)?? Also how is Rich much bigger??? They both can fight LHW and MW??? I am not getting what you mean here?

Phil did take Frank down, I dont see how Rich is gonna stay on top of Frank though.. were talkin a brown belt under Gurgel vs Frank Shamrock, striking.. you gotta consider Frank on Franklins level or clsoe to it now after what he did to Baroni, Baroni has an iron chin and was nearly KO'd, and he was outstruck.. and Baroni has sick, sick boxing. And ya, Franks chin is great, Franklins chin.. not so much. On the ground.. edge goes to Frank Shamrock.. whos shoots are better then anyone Rich has faced, whos sub game is better then anyone rich has ever faced.. but more importantly.. its better then Franklins ground game! so im picking Frank Shamrock what a suprise? I dunno why I pick against Rich so much, im actually a huge Rich fan.. I guess I dont think hes that great?