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Originally Posted by AJL416AZ

i think Wiman should be here. hes experienced and is generally a tough kid, but i dont know how good his ground game is since Fisher took him down a few times.

and Lauzon is better than Hill, and probably has better jits then Diaz. look Joe up on youtube, the kid has sick jits, hes incredibly fluid and explosive.

i think Hill wont make it past and BJJ or ground guy he has to fight. if Hill really didnt have a gym before this, then that means he is just now learning how to use any striking training he might have in MMA, changing his strategies, footwork, etc. plus, it also means he has virtually no submission training, and if you are tall and lanky like Hill, its harder to defend takedowns no matter how talented a wrestler you are.

all very true, its hard doin a Top 5 amongst those guys though and ya I felt Wiman should get some dues but didnt know where to put him in my opinion cuz he is damn good too especially on his feet but ya there def the best 6 and I think Gray is #1 regardless though.