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DUDE!!!! I'm getting fucking pissed off!!! I'm not a Frank nuthugger, but I've watched the fight 4 times now (love my DVR), and Gracie's only offense were 3... YES THREE!!!!... takedowns. Two in the first, one in the second. He attempted to work side control and gain a mount (which he was unable to fucking do!) and that's about it. No he was NOT working elbows in the second round as Cromm said. Frank was the busier fighter both on the feet and on the ground. I love BJJ and I really enjoy watching the Gracies (actually I enjoy any true BJJ fighter; I think their fights are exciting chess matches), butI feel like there are people swinging from Renzo's jewels merely b/c they can't stand Frank. Come on! Most of you would EXCORIATE another fighter who took the abuse Renzo did while laying on top of Frank merely looking for a sub. win. There CERTAINLY was no g&p, and any attempt was nullified by a pretty damn decent ground defense by Frank. If you're pissed b/c a few feel and have said Renzo faked, okay, I understand that. Noone knows whether he did, AND NOONE KNOWS whether he didn't. And yes, Frank fucking cheated when when it comes down to brass tax. But if you're honestly assesing the fight, it's a first round of 10-9 to Shamrock. You can see the second going the same way. Could Renzo have worn him down and caused Frank to make a mistake? Yes. We didn't get a chance to see that, and that's too bad, so fuck Frank for that.

Rufio and Melon have great points and have both broken the fight down very well. I refer to their posts for any future arguments (or Hypergit's posts) because this thread is starting to wear me.