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Originally Posted by TheBonger

First off lets not do the what if's about the rules, thats just stupid. Because if frank can knee to the head so can Renzo and Renzo was in MUCH better position to knee to the head, Also franks were to the back of the head and that is illegal in Pride also.

The difference is that Frank has effective strikes. Renzo was allowed to strike already, and we saw throughout round 1 what happened REGARDLESS of his position: he was Frank's punching bag. We saw Frank rock Renzo with strikes in this fight. We saw Renzo have position to land good hits, and still make Josh Koscheck look like a king of ground 'n pound.


Also, a lot of knee strikes in Pride come VERY close to the back of the head. Sometimes, you can barely tell a difference between knees that are allowed in Pride and what happened here. I doubt Frank actually intended for them to land at that spot anyway. IMO, he's just crazy as hell these days and got caught up in the moment. It's sorta like Rashad throwing a punch at Sean Salmon even after he's clearly out cold. Sometimes fighters act without thinking.

Originally Posted by TheBonger

As far as this fight clearly proving Frank is the tougher fighter and should be a big fav in the rematch that if fucking LAUGHABLE. Ha Ha Ha. I dunno what fight you watched or what a fighter must do to prove something to you but to me being taken down with relative easy and throwing a few nice knees from the bottom doesnt make you the better fighter.

"A few?" He landed like over 20 good knees. He kept landing them again and again and AGAIN. There's no two ways about it: Renzo acted as little more than a blanket and a punching bag for Frank.


Frank landing CONSTANT clean strikes takes its toll for future rounds. Renzo laying on top of Frank soaking up damage does nothing for him in the long term.

Originally Posted by TheBonger

As far is my saying it wasnt close, I said it and I would say it again, I would imagine if you 50 judges to watch that fight up to the point where it is stopped, I would say atleast 40 if not more would say Renzo was the winner.

Let's compare it to Tito/Vitor round 1, which was scored as 9-10 Tito:


*Both Frank and Vitor rocked their opponents standing, although Vitor did more so

*Both Tito and Renzo spent a similar amount of time on top

*Tito actually was active from the top, whereas Renzo was not

*Renzo took a LOT of hits while he was on top, whereas Tito took virtually none



Comparing this round to a UFC round that was scored as 9-10, what exactly is your logic for saying that Renzo was way ahead in points based on the SAME system?

Originally Posted by TheBonger

Im sorry if Frank is a personal hero or something but he looked like shit last night, As far as rematch goes it is highly highly doubtful that Frank would step back in with Renzo after being handled like that. The only reason for those knees to the back of the head were to avoid to untainted L on his record, and it really wouldnt look good if he had to do that again.

Dude, you're being delusional. Saying Frank looked like shit here is like saying he looked like shit vs. Tito. He faces a better wrestler, he neutralizes their ability to do damage from the top, and he wears them down with strikes. He was doing exactly that. Look how many hits Frank landed. Look how many Renzo landed. Look at Renzo scrambling backwards from Frank's standing attacks. Hell, look at the progression of the standup. When it starts off, Frank lands nothing before the takedown. After it's stood up, Frank rocks him. Second round, Frank REALLY rocks him. Every time it got stood up, Renzo was in more trouble than the previous time. It's obvious that the zillion hits Frank was landing from the bottom were taking their toll.